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Author Topic: High School Course Selection  (Read 3200 times)

rahulrao1989

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« on: November 27, 2006, 11:14 PM »
Hey...I was wondering, how many AP courses has the average admitted student participated in, and are most of the students straight A's in high school? Would strength of the respective high school factor into this significently? By the way, I did ED after absolutely falling in love with the atmosphere and program.

physicsrocks

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 11:22 PM »
I would think that anyone could take 20 AP's and think they are doing amazing, but if they get C's,D's, and F's in them, it doesn't really show much except for the fact that they are trying to take too much on at once.  It really depends on your performance in those classes, the AP grade, and your overall GPA.  Of course, taking a lot of AP's and doing well in them is a plus, but if u took a few, did extremely well, and have the AP grades to show for it, i don't think thats terrible.

Admissions_Mark

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 10:31 AM »
For us here at Hopkins, every student is considered independently and on an individual basis.  We think that the difficulty of your courses is the strongest indicator of success here at Hopkins and we like to see that students have challeneged themselves.  However, we recognize that opportunity is not equal in the US and we treat all applications accordingly based on the opportunities they have been given.  :D

Great students are admitted no matter what high schools they attend - it's just a matter of doing the best you can with what you have been given with respect to academic performance.  :blink:

Have a great day!  :D
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
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SuperAgentGirl

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2007, 04:47 PM »
Hi, my name is Katie and I just wanted to say that I have fallen in love with JHU and the International Relations program.

Well, on to the point: I have just visited my guidance counselor to discuss classes for next year. He had a number of suggestions for my class schedule for next year and he did take a look at JHU's expectations.

I would just like to confirm and consult with you about your recommendations. In the book my guidance counselor used stated that JHU recommends 4 years of foreign language, english, science and mathematics.

I understand that there is no formula in creating the perfect Hopkins applicant, but do these recommendations still stand? Would Hopkins prefer a student take more classes that would relate to their potential major or ones that will be more challenging?

Also, would you recommend I personally contact Admissions about my situation? I don't want to burden you all, but I would love best prepare myself for the challenge of such an excellent school.

Thanks for your time...I can't wait to check out the site so more!

-Katie (SuperAgentGirl :ph43r: )

Admissions_Daniel

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 05:25 PM »
Thank you for your message and we are pleased to hear of your interest in Johns Hopkins University. Many students contact our Office to ask about course selection throughout their high school years. Though we will provide prospective applicants with general recommendations on what courses will be considered competitive in our application review process, we can not offer specific advice about what courses an individual student should select. Every prospective student has an individual record from their specific high school, therefore it is not possible for us to suggest enrollment options. Such questions are better suited for discussions with your guidance counselor, parents, and or decisions you will need to make on your own. We are evaluators of the decisions you make in high school - and therefore the choices you make about your schedule say much about what kind of academic individual you are and will be.

In general, recommended preparation for all students includes four years of each of the following subjects: English, Mathematics, Foreign Language, Science with laboratory, a History and Social Science. It is recommended that students take 5 core academic courses each year throughout high school, focusing on academic core classes over elective classes. If you choose to discontinue the study of an academic core course, it is strongly recommended that you supplement that course with an additional course in one of the other core academic areas.

Please note that these are only recommendations and not requirements. Every individual student's own personal educational history will be taken into account when reviewing one's course selection. There are no official course requirements to apply to Johns Hopkins, so any student may apply and be reviewed for admission no matter what courses they have selected.

Best of luck.

SuperAgentGirl

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 07:00 PM »
Thank you for the info! I really appreciate it! I'm sure you get bombarded constantly with our questions and inquiries, and I am grateful for your understanding.

Just wanted to clarify this...
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If you choose to discontinue the study of an academic core course, it is strongly recommended that you supplement that course with an additional course in one of the other core academic areas.

For example, replacing a final credit (year) in science with one in foreign language (thus, 3 years of science and 5 credits of foreign language)?

Thanks again for all your help! You guys are really great...this forum is absolutely amazing!

-Katie (SuperAgentGirl :ph43r: )

Admissions_Mark

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 12:14 AM »
That's correct.  Core courses according to Hopkins are English, Mathematics, Foreign Language, Science with laboratory, a History or a Social Science.  :D

I will add that if you are interested in one particular area of study, it's important to continue in courses offered at your high school in those areas instead of discontinuing them even if that is an option.  Hypothetically speaking , if I wanted to major in Jogging (which you can't at Hopkins but this is hypothetical, right?) then it's smart to take the most challenging courses offered in Jogging and finish that line of study at your school.  

Glad you like the forum - we like it too!

~Mark
Mark E. Butt
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Johns Hopkins University

SuperAgentGirl

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 10:45 AM »
Just wanted to thank you all for your help with this matter. I've got it all settled now.

Also, I liked the jogging analogy...it worked perfectly!  :P

I hope to speak to you in the future,

Katie (SuperAgentGirl :ph43r: )

Hohenheim of Chaos

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 04:44 PM »
I have a problem where my school does not offer AP's for freshman, sophmore, and juniors other than Euro.

My senior year I will be taking 5 AP courses, which are actually lucky for any senior since my school is typically for kids who are insanely "normal."

For example, you'd need incredible recommendations to even think about entering an AP course. Unlike other schools, where it's as simple as starting at AP courses their freshman year.

Will JHU take into consideration that despite how hard some people may have tried in the past, they were still unable to take a "difficult" courseload from their 9th-11th grade years?

Also, would it be taken into consideration that I seized oppurtunities to enter the honors level english and math courses, even though they weren't necessarily AP (at least not until my senior year)?

Or would those situations just be looked and laughed at as a pathetic excuse for some lazy kid who just couldn't handle higher level courses?

A lot of people have been saying the fact that I have no AP's until my senior year will hurt me. I could use a bit of reassurance here  :unsure: .

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2007, 05:34 AM »
Mark and I have both said and written this many times ...

... the Admissions committee does not have set standards that we compare every application up against. Each student attends a specific high school and each high school has different standards and policies. With each transcript comes a high school profile that defines the school's policies and provides context on the students who attend the high school. We do not review transcripts in a vacuum but rather use these profiles to get a sense of the choices a student could make and the learning environment they existed in for four years.

Policies of high school that are out of the control of the applicant will not impact one's application review either positively or negatively.

There is no need to be concerned about issues out of your control, and also no need to listen to "a lot of people" who do not understand the admissions process. Put forth your best application and then cross your fingers -- that is all you can do.

Nox

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 01:27 AM »
I've read in a Collegeboard handbook that to apply for Hopkins, I need minimum of four years in a foreign language study.  I've taken three years of Spanish at my community college and took an SAT II test for another language (not Spanish) and got a 790.  Would they both count towards the four years or would I need four years of one specific language?

Thank you!

Admissions_Daniel

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 02:57 PM »
The Collegeboard handbook is wrong. Johns Hopkins does not have any official course requirements for applicants. We recommend that all students takefour years of each of the following subjects: English, Mathematics, Foreign Language, Science with laboratory, a History and Social Science. It is recommended that students take 5 core academic courses each year throughout high school, focusing on academic core classes over elective classes. If you choose to discontinue the study of an academic core course, it is strongly recommended that you supplement that course with an additional course in one of the other core academic areas. These are only recommendations and not requirements.

http://apply.jhu.edu/apply/apply.html

Nox

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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 06:29 PM »
Thank you.  That got me a little parnoid (again).

I realized (after reading through all the questions/answers) that not many REQUIREMENTS are there for applicants, only recommendations.  But it never hurts to check something out of a Collegeboard handbook, right?


Admissions_Daniel

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 06:33 PM »
Basic rule ... the Collegeboard information is usually out-of-date. If you really want to know the application requirements and recommendations, check the Admissions web site for each college and university you will apply to.

Nox

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2007, 06:43 PM »
Ah.  Now I got my entire world of sources twisted up because up until now, I thought Collegeboard was the most reliable source for college info.  Oh well.  :huh:

And I just noticed: Is your signature bar quote from her book "And the funny thing is?"  I think I read it in there.  Funny book.

Admissions_Daniel

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2007, 07:48 AM »
Actually it is from her HBO special "Here and Now" ... probably the funniest 90 minutes of comedy ever. (Well actually it is tied with Bill Cosby's "Himself" and Eddie Izzard's "Dressed to Kill".)

If you want to laugh, rent any three of those comedy specials ... sheer comedy gold!

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And oh yeah, don't rely on the Collegeboard for accurate information.

DatDarnDude

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2007, 07:55 AM »
Hi I'm Dat and I recently learned of Johns Hopkins and it sounds like a place I want to go. But since I learned of it so late (this is my senior year) I didn't know you liked seeing 4 years of foreign language and I only took 2. Will that have an adverse effect on my chances of getting in? I might not have 4 years of foreign language but I have about 8 science credit and 5 math.

Admissions_Daniel

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2007, 08:05 AM »
As I hope you have read above (and on our Apply web site: http://apply.jhu.edu/apply/apply.html), our course guidelines are only RECOMMENDATIONS, not requirements. Since every applicant has a different educational background, and every applicant has their own individual academic strengths and weaknesses, we do not have any set requirements. Applicants are encouraged to take the most diverse and academic challenging curriculum available to them. We do not provide any further instruction on what courses will make an application competitive in the admissions process, as we are the evaluators of the decisions a student makes about their academic curriculum throughout high school. Those choices say a lot about what kind of a student the applicant will be in college.

Finally, please note there is no way to predict an applicant's chances of admissions based on course selection nor answer questions about how one's chances will be impacted by their curriculum. A review of one's transcript and course selections must be reviewed in conjunction with the complete application, as our applications review are comprehensive and holistic.

Bryan

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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2007, 03:23 PM »
Hey, my name is Bryan and I'm from the state of Washington. I'm still in my sophomore year but have started looking at colleges last year and Johns Hopkins have caught my interest.

JHU recommends taking 4 years of social studies/history, but my school does not offer any in freshmen year. We don't have a choice on the history classes (World, US) in sophomore and junior year (just the level: core, honors, AP) but in senior year we have a menu of classes to choose from. Should I be taking two then?

Also, what's the rough # of applicant/acceptance from Washington?

Lastly, this may seem obvious, but can I email our state rep for anymore questions I might have in the future?

Thanks

JHU_Lauren

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2007, 08:04 PM »
Since the question of the "recommended" amount of years of history is more of an Admissions issue, I'll leave that open to the professionals to answer that more specifically!  ;)  Just as a general statement though, from what Admissions_Daniel and Admissions_Mark have said to those who have asked in the past, the admissions representative that reads applications from your area might be familiar with the high schools there and, even they aren't, will evaluate your application in terms of what your high school offers, not by comparing it to others.  They're looking for you to prove that you can do well in the most challenging courses that your high school provides. ;)  But like I said, I can't really answer when it comes to the number of years/courses.

Also, you can follow this link to find out the name and email address of your admissions rep.  :)
http://apply.jhu.edu/contact/staff.html
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JHU_Laura

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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2007, 10:17 PM »
Hi Brian!
I am from Washington and it is awesome that you are interested in Hopkins!!
I would agree with Lauren that your admissions rep (Amy Brokl) will be familiar with your school and will understand your curriculum and what type of classes you should be taking--
I think that the best advice I received with regards to taking classes is to take classes that both interest and challenge you--So if you want to take 2 social science/history type classes your senior year, you should! But if you'd rather take another type of class that is more interesting and engaging for you, maybe you should take that. Either way, you have a little while to decide ;).

Good luck and enjoy Washington!! It's the best state EVER!!!

PS if you have any washington based questions feel free to ask me on my "ask a student" thread or on my blog!!


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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2007, 06:26 PM »
Bryan:

I have moved your question to a current thread that we have about High School Course selection. I encourage you to review all the previous posts on this thread as an answer to your academic course selection questions.

Lauren and Laura have covered your other questions.

Nox

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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2007, 10:38 PM »
Also concerning foreign language:

I know it's only a recommendation as for the foreign language stuff, but I was wondering if I got a 790 on a SAT II foreign language with listening, the admissions will see it as three (or more?) years of foreign language, though I have not done any classes in the language for which I have taken the test.

I have a foreign language class that is marked as a C in my high school transcript and I was wondering if I can take that out and Hopkins will still see that I did study a foreign language.

I know these nit-picky questions get really pesty, but I'm in the middle of polishing up my trascript (I found out that most of the community college classes are actually bringing my GPA down.  A lot.) and I might as well make all the changes before sending an update notification to the Application Coordinators.

Thank you!

Admissions_Daniel

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2007, 11:42 AM »
Quote from: "Nox"
Also concerning foreign language:
I know it's only a recommendation as for the foreign language stuff, but I was wondering if I got a 790 on a SAT II foreign language with listening, the admissions will see it as three (or more?) years of foreign language, though I have not done any classes in the language for which I have taken the test.

SAT II subject exam scores are reviewed as SAT II subject exam scores. They are not reviewed as years of study in a subject, and they are not used to replace our recommendation of foreign language study. Especially is the SAT II foreign language exam is taken in the student's native language (where English is a second language).


Quote from: "Nox"
I have a foreign language class that is marked as a C in my high school transcript and I was wondering if I can take that out and Hopkins will still see that I did study a foreign language

I know these nit-picky questions get really pesty, but I'm in the middle of polishing up my trascript (I found out that most of the community college classes are actually bringing my GPA down.  A lot.) and I might as well make all the changes before sending an update notification to the Application Coordinators.

This part of your question seriously concerns me. A student DOES NOT have the right to pick and choose what parts of their transcript are reviewed. You must request that your high school send an official transcript that you did not have access to. All grades from 9th - 12th grades must be included. The same is true of any community college courses you have taken ... You must have the community college send an official transcript.


hd129

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2008, 08:25 PM »
Hi, I'm a junior very interested in applying to JHU next year. I have a concern regarding my high school course selection. This year I'm taking 4 AP and one honors class (all are core class subjects) supplemented by Art II and another elective. I found Art I to be an enjoyable class after having to take it as a required class to graduate. However, I've been constantly told my classmates that colleges don't care for Art classes and they make me appear lazy. Granted, it isn't as challenging as my AP courses, but I took it as an fun class. With what I'm hearing, I'm very much regretting my decision enrolling in this course. Also, despite it being Art II Honors class, it is weighted as regular class, which shows that my school system too does not see this is a serious class (I did not know this until a few weeks ago).

How much is this decision going to hurt me when applying for college? Does JHU not care for Art classes? I'm very worried as I definitely could have handled another AP class in an area more oriented towards my intended major (I want to study medicine) such as Biology AP or Chemistry AP. I plan on taking those two classes in my senior year, but from what I've read recently senior year is not truly considered as applications and acceptance/denial are done before senior year grades end.

Obviously it is too late for me make any schedule amends, but I would like to know the honest answer to this question as it's aggravating me constantly since I've been incessantly wondering for the past two months the impact of the mistake I made.

Thank you!