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Author Topic: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams  (Read 87314 times)

ShAron Seh

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Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« on: December 14, 2006, 12:42 PM »
Can I know how you weigh SAT 2 subject test results? Do I still have a chance to be admitted if I have very impressive SAT 2 results but average SAT Reasoning results? I am taking Chem, Bio and Math 2 for SAT 2. I have confidence that I’ll score a lot BETTER in SAT 2. Actually I’ve taken SAT 1 but the result is not impressive enough. Well, maybe firstly I have not much preparation for my test (because my sponsor did not require us to take SAT in the first place, but I took the test to gain my experience), and secondly my native language is not English. However, I’ll be retaking my SAT soon, but I’m afraid that my result will not stand out among the other applicants.

Oh ya… I am planning to apply for ED 2008…

Please advice!

Thanx LOTZ!!!

Regards,
~*ShAron*~

(p/s: I really like this JHU interactive system!!! I've got lotz of info… Keep up the good work!!!)

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 04:25 PM »
Sharon,

We evaluate applicants on an individual basis.  Performing well in high school and being actively involved are two thiings that we look for in candidates.  Keep in mind we bring in a wide variety of students every year.  

Here are numbers from last year Sharon.

Freshman Admission Selectivity (2006)
Applicants: 13,863
Admitted: 3,698
Enrolled (projected): 1,160
Admit rate: 27%
Early Decision available? Yes
Early Decision applicants: 1,004
Standardized Tests
Middle 50th percentile for admitted students in 2006*

SAT Total: 1990-2280
SAT Verbal: 650-750
SAT Math: 690-790
SAT Writing: 650-740
ACT: 30-34

Take care.  :)

Mark
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

Miacis137

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 09:06 PM »
I'm a junior in high school who wishes to enter JHU in the Fall of 2009.  I'm planning to take one or more SAT II subject tests, but have not yet made a concrete decision about which one(s).  I am fascinated by both American and global history, and consider history my best subject, so I am leaning towards the US History and World History subject tests.  However, before I commit to a particular test at a particular time, I want to know whether there is a particular test or set of tests that Johns Hopkins is particularly well disposed towards, and how strong that preference is, ie whether it is enough to risk a potentially lower score on a test subject I am less proficient in, or whether this would be shooting myself in the foot for a marginal benefit.  Does JHU focus more on score, or should I take a certain set of tests that will be preferred by admissions?

Admissions_Daniel

  • Administrator
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 07:27 AM »
Johns Hopkins does not require applicants to take SAT II subject exams. We do recommend applicants take SAT II subject exams of their choosing, but we do not provide recommendations on which exams. For a full description on our standardized exam policy, please review this website: http://apply.jhu.edu/apply/testreqs.html.

Also, just so you know, if you are currently a junior in high school planning to attend college right after your high school graduation (not taking any time off) then you are actually applying for the Fall 2008 term.

joshmaccabee

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2007, 12:43 PM »
Hello,
I'm currently a junior at Horace Greeley High School and I just have a quick question. Would it be in any way possible to substitute one of the recommended three SAT II's with an ACT with or without writing? I would still submit my SAT I and two SAT II's, but if I can't swap the third SAT II with an ACT with or without writing, I'd have to take another SAT II in the fall of my Senior Year. Would this be possible?

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 07:44 PM »
The minimum requirement is for an applicant to submit the SAT I Reasoning or the ACT with Writing. Since SAT II subject exams are not required nothing needs to be substiuted for them.  We recommend SAT II subject exams (three of them) for students submitting either the ACT or SAT I Reasoning exams, recommend not required. Also, we do not accept ACT scores unless the Writing section is also taken. Finally, it is very common for our applicants to take an SAT II exam in the fall of their senior year.
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

Hohenheim of Chaos

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 03:41 PM »
I know the latest recommended testing date is in October. However, if students would like to take an SAT or subject test on November 4th and have the scores rush reported (I think takes two days), may we do so?

What is JHU's stance on rush reporting scores?

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 05:43 PM »
All testing should be completed by the end of October for ED applicants and December for RD applicants.  There is no need to rush scores however independent of when you take tests.
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

Hohenheim of Chaos

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2007, 07:23 PM »
Thank you for the reply, I'm really grateful for the feedback. ^_^

But I still have a bit of a predicament though.

If I wanted to apply ED (after my interview and visit  B)), and I wanted to take another SAT II in November, would it be allowed?

My real problem is that I won't be able to take my third SAT subject test by October. After October, I will only have two SAT subject tests  :( .

So would you guys refuse a rush reported score of a test that was taken in November? I'm not sure I have a choice, unless of course I would be fine handing in just two SAT subject test scores.

PS: Sorry if I seem to be annoyingly persistent  :ph43r:

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 10:48 AM »
Hopkins does not require SAT II's, they are simply suggested.  You may take the exam in November but we make no guarantee that the score will arrive prior to your application being reviewed by the admissions committee.  Two scores are fine for us generally.  

~Mark
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

Hohenheim of Chaos

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 01:39 PM »
Thanks Admissions Mark  :lol:

Justin8030

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 06:16 PM »
I'm the first child in my family to apply to an out of state university. The view other people in my family were used to going to either Wilmington College or Delaware State. These two colleges do not ask for SAT Subject Tests. After reviewing the admission recommendations, I saw that they would like three subject test. Well, I have to take the SAT again in October and I do not really know if I am going to be able to get ANY Subject tests in to my application. I plan to apply to for the ED application process. (I am going into my senior year of high school.)

Will I be looked "less" upon with no Subject Tests or are they just a way to see your mastery in a specified subject?

I will have completed AP Calculus AB and AP Spanish exams in May 2008 however my deadline will be in November most likely.

Do you have any suggestions?

Is there a trend of what the scores on an SAT Reasoning Test with the Writing Section look like?

Justin8030

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2007, 09:07 AM »
Since it's reccommended to have three SAT ll Subject Tests, would it be just as good to do my second SAT Reasoning test in October. The in November complete my three subject tests, and then send them in as soon as I receive my scores for them? Would that still count towards my ED application review?

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2007, 10:54 AM »
Hey Justin,

Thanks for your questions!

Will I be looked "less" upon with no Subject Tests or are they just a way to see your mastery in a specified subject?

No - the SAT II subject tests are optional through our process.

I will have completed AP Calculus AB and AP Spanish exams in May 2008 however my deadline will be in November most likely.  Do you have any suggestions?

If you are planning to take those exams at the end of the year then that's fine.  We will have a copy of your transcript from your high school and that is mainly what we need.  While some students have scores from AP tests from their junior year, some do not and that's ok.  


Is there a trend of what the scores on an SAT Reasoning Test with the Writing Section look like?

If you are including the writing section (2400-base), then looking at past classes, 25% of the freshman class will have below a 2000, 50% will be somewhere between 2000 and 2280 and 25% will have above a 2280.  
   
Since it's reccommended to have three SAT ll Subject Tests, would it be just as good to do my second SAT Reasoning test in October. The in November complete my three subject tests, and then send them in as soon as I receive my scores for them? Would that still count towards my ED application review?

 Although we cannot guarantee that November (ED) scores will arrive before the Admissions Committee evaluation, past experience suggests that scores taken on these dates usually arrive in time.

November (ED) scores will be accepted for those students unable to meet their test requirements by October (ED) or December (RD). In such cases, we encourage you to note your intention of taking the later standardized test(s) on your application. There is no need to rush your scores.    

I hope this helps Justin.

Mark
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

Phead128

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2007, 09:29 PM »
Do not take three SAT II subject tests just for the sake of fulfilling the SAT subject requirement. These subject test exists merely to test your skill and knowledge in target area. This means you should only take these test ONLY if you are confident that you have mastered the materials to do well on it.  

Good luck!

SuperAgentGirl

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2007, 06:19 PM »
I have two thoughts/questions on this topic:

The first is a reply to Phead's comment. I have already taken one SAT II in the AP Class (US History) that I had taken this year. By the fall, I will have taken over four years of Spanish, so I am going to take that one as well. I wasn't sure if it was worth it to take a third test on something like World History, which I haven't had much preparation for (I learned a lot of World History this year, but it is not offered as an AP at my school and I don't think I have been fully prepared by all that I have obtained from my World Studies course this year). What are your thoughts?

This question is focused more on the Admissions people (Mark, Daniel). Where would I be able to find the average SAT II scores of applicants/admitted students? I wanted to see how my SAT II score in US History compared to those of Hopkins students and applicants. I understand if you guys don't have it available!

Well, thank you everyone, especially Phead for his (?) advice!

Admissions_Mark

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Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2007, 10:00 PM »
We don't calculate averages or ranges on SAT II subject tests.  With respect to the other questions you have, these are probably best directed towards your school counselor.  Good luck!
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

SuperAgentGirl

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2007, 07:13 PM »
That's what I was thinking. My other question was more directed at Phead (and anyone else who would like to offer their opinion such as recently admitted students or current students), but is something I will be discussing with my guidance counselor.

Thank you for your help!

fender.man

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2007, 02:46 PM »
from a student's perspective, an AP class is definitely not required for SAT IIs.  These tests are basically the College Board's attempt to get more money by creating a national standard final test for High School.  So, in my opinion, if you need it for the three-test suggestion, you should take it.  Also, some of the other schools you apply to may require SAT IIs.

SuperAgentGirl

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2007, 02:49 PM »
Thank you for the advice, Fender!

I think I may study up this summer and take the World History exam.
Ugh, I'm not a big fan of the Collegeboard and its schemes! <_<

A221506

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2007, 11:21 AM »
Hi,

I am Planning to Apply Early Decision For Engineering. I have not Completed SAT2 tests Yet. I am planning to SAT2 math in Dec 2007 and Physics in May 2008. Can I Still Apply Under Early Decision?.  Please Advise

Thanks

JHU_Lauren

  • Hopkins Alumni
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2007, 05:58 PM »
Quote from: "A221506"
Hi,

I am Planning to Apply Early Decision For Engineering. I have not Completed SAT2 tests Yet. I am planning to SAT2 math in Dec 2007 and Physics in May 2008. Can I Still Apply Under Early Decision?.  Please Advise

Thanks
I assume you're planning on applying for Early Decision 2007, right?  You can still apply Early Decision because, as Daniel has said, SAT II exams are recommended but not mandatory.

Quote from: "Admissions_Daniel"
Johns Hopkins does not require applicants to take SAT II subject exams. We do recommend applicants take SAT II subject exams of their choosing, but we do not provide recommendations on which exams. For a full description on our standardized exam policy, please review this website: http://apply.jhu.edu/apply/testreqs.html.

If you WANT to send SAT II's with your application though, taking the tests as late as December 2007 and May 2008 isn't advisable - ED decisions come out December 15, so your December scores probably won't be sent to the Admissions office in time .. and if you take the May test, they definitely won't have any effect on you being admitted or not.  As Mark said earlier:

Quote from: "Admissions_Mark"
All testing should be completed by the end of October for ED applicants and December for RD applicants. There is no need to rush scores however independent of when you take tests.

So, again, SAT II tests are not required but, if you do want to send them with your Early Decision application, I'd try to take them earlier! :)
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Admissions_Daniel

  • Administrator
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 05:00 PM »
Lauren is correct ... if you are applying Early Decision, December and May exams are way too late to be considered for admission. December exams would arrive in time for Regular Decision, but May exams will never be considered as final decisions are made in March for Regular Decision.

krqueen90

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2007, 05:11 PM »
Hello,
I have a question regarding to SAT II submission deadline.
If I send my SAT II scores now, do you still accept them?
Or is it too late?
Thank you for answering.

Admissions_Daniel

  • Administrator
Re: Questions About SAT II Subject Exams
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2007, 09:04 AM »
Quote from: "krqueen90"
I have a question regarding to SAT II submission deadline.
If I send my SAT II scores now, do you still accept them?
Or is it too late?
Test scores need to be requested from the testing agencies prior to our stated application deadlines but may arrive after the deadline. Regular Decision applicants must submit their request for their tests to be sent to Johns Hopkins prior to the January 1st deadline. Though the scores will arrive past the deadline they will still be considered if requested in advance of the deadline. There is no need to rush score reports as they do not arrive any earlier.

Applicants must request that all their SAT Reasoning, SAT Subject exams, and ACT scores be sent directly by the testing agency. The Johns Hopkins code for the College Board is 5332 and for the ACT is 1704.